A neighbor

ELLEN LOIS MORRIS, a resident of Coin, AR, was born September 2, 1922 in the Bobo Community south of Alpena to Hugh and Lizzie (Fultz) Morris. She departed this life Thursday, December 25, 2008 in Berryville at the age of 86 years.
Miss Morris was of the Baptist faith. She was a store clerk and a homemaker. She loved working in her garden and flower garden.
She is survived by several cousins and a host of other relatives and friends.
She is preceded in death by her parents and one brother.
Visitation will be from 6 until 8:00 P.M. Sunday, December 28, 2008 at the Nelson's Green Forest Chapel. Graveside services will be held at 2:00 P.M. Monday, December 29, 2008 at the Carrollton Cemetery with Brother Jerry Scitern officiating. Interment will follow under the direction of Nelson Funeral Service, Inc. Memorial donations may be made to the Carrollton Cemetery Fund, c/o Keith Elmore, 102 Magnolia Avenue, Berryville, AR 72616. Online condolences may be sent to the family at nelsonfuneral.com

Christmas Tree, Oh Christmas Tree

Two Angels

And the Ice Cream Monster.

The babies are here today. Angels for now, but when they wake all all bets are off.

George is breathing better and my knee is much better. I am thinking it is going to heal afterall.

George cooked us a ham yesterday while I went to pick up the babies. It was a first for him. He did a very good job. I may make bread to go with it today since Jr. and the big kids will be here today. I may have to go buy Ice Cream for the Ice Cream Monster. Ice Cream is a favorite for Em and Grandpa.

Right now everyone except me is asleep, so we are all at peace.

And Helen, what is this about not ever meeting a dead person you liked? Exactly how many dead people have you met lately?

No news

is not news.

I have taken several pics, like this one, meaning to post them here, but it did not get done. I love reading everyone's blog and keeping up to date on what is going on, but sometimes posting is just a chore.

I had Greg's babies again this week end. They are doing good. I did not get any good new pics tho. Greg is working 7 days a week now, so when the babies come I take care of them. Now that they are a little bigger they are not so hard to take care of. The thing they are into now is fighting with each other, but other than that they do pretty good. Robert is almost completely potty trained now. We are proud of him. Hannah is just a mess.

George has been sick and had to go to the Dr twice, but he is better now. Some old can not breath thing. He goes to VA for his checkup tomorrow, so he may get them to give him something for the head cold. When he gets a cold, he has a lot of trouble getting over it.

Then, I my knee has been really bothering me for a couple of months now, but last Monday and work I really hurt it. Wed. I went to the DR and she said I needed surgery. I thought maybe after the first of the year, I might do that, but by the end of the week it was better. I think now if I can still hop, I will probably not have surgery.

Now, that is how things are here. Don't you wish you had not asked?

Oh, yes, I almost forgot, the real reason I have not had time to post here is that we found a new dead person so I have been adding many dead names to our tree. You know how it is when you find a new dead person in your tree. It has to be taken care of before the other things.

We found that Jesse Maples' wife was Jemima Atchley. We knew she was Jemima but not Atchley. She is our grandma Gretie Powell's great grandmother. And, she is of the same Atchley family as all the Oak Grove Atchleys, so we are related to our teacher Bessie Atchley and to Aunt Loveta.

You can find Jemima in our tree here
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fletaaday&id=I4694

When you click on her name and then go up to her parents and grandparents, all those names before her I have added in the last two weeks. Dead trees take lots of time and care.

Thanksgiving visitors

We think this is the mother and her twins plus her friend and her fawn born a little before the twins as the third young one is larger. Then those must be Patsy's ducks come for Thanksgiving breakfast on the pond.

George the kid

George is still cutting and splitting wood. I helped him this afternoon and he was splitting a lot of pieces that were only about two and a half inches in diameter and some of them were only two inches thick. He says they will burn better split. I guess if we run out of money to pay the gas bill, we can go over to the shop and stay warm.

I am cooking tomorrow. I have a turkey but Lane and Junior complained about not having ham so I bought a small ham. We will probably have left overs for two weeks.

No post for three weeks

and then she said....

Helen does not understand the subtleties of journalism.

I am so glad my computer mouse is working again. It was very irritating to try to do anything on the computer with the mouse going off in its own direction.




The only wood stove we have is in George's shop, but it is a dandy. George and Greg made it from a kit (door, pipe opening, and lid), a metal barrel that I think the paid $7 for and scrap metal they had on hand for the front, back and legs. It makes a wonderful shop heater.







George's wood splitter on the back of the tractor. He borrowed it from Frank Marr but I think we are going to buy it from him. It is sure easier than splitting wood with and axe.









Wood, cut and split in the last 2 days.








Good Arkansas oak fire wood. I think the going rate for firewood here is $35 a rick now, but George is just cutting it for his shop.

And then she said

See the horses on the hill and the ducks on the pond.

I have been unhappy with my computer. The mouse has not been acting right. I changed to a different mouse twice, but I was using ones I had around here. Finally I broke down and spent the whole $12 and bought a new mouse. Now it is working. It had gotten so bad I could not even crop a photo. I should have bought a new one 3 months ago when the problem started.



Junior bought this small 4 wheeler. He said it was for the kids, but mostly he rides it. I think it may have been for Daddy instead of the kids.

A bright new day

We hope a better day, but for sure a different way to a different day. It is hard to imagine how it could not be better than what we have.

Wild turkeys in front of Clayton's house about 3 pm today on my walk. That is Mama's lilac bush on the right. Whoops! I think that is Claytons forsythia bush instead of the lilac.

There was about 20 turkeys all together.

Polls

I have never had much faith in the polls that have the O winning next Tuesday. If they had him way ahead in the critical states I would have more faith, but I just do not have faith as it stands now. As someone said today, I have been snake bit twice, 2000 & 2004, and I am afraid of the polling snake.

And.... I have considered that nearly if not all the polls are conducted by news organizations that have a vested interest in keeping us tuned in. If this were a run away electionn by either party, there would be 2 losers on election night, the losing candidate and all the news people that depend on us tuning in to their blathering.

Today, my distrust of the polls was validated when I saw that realclear had gone real murky and taken Arkansas from McCain sure thing to leaning McCain. Now, regardless of what anyone may read ANYWHERE on the net, I absolutely KNOW Arkansas will go for McCain next Tuesday. There is no way a black man is going to carry Arkansas in a national election anytime in this or the next decade. Maybe in the next century, but that is still really doubtful. Any poll that says different is not based in reality. Polls are based on the needs of the people paying for the polls. That is why polls conducted by a political party are not trusted by anyone, even the ones conduction the polls. If political party polls are suspect because they return results favorable to their own cause, why then would news media polls not be suspect because they return results favorable to the news media. That is, results showing a close race so that we need to stay tuned to their 'news'? No news is really bad news if your job depends on the news.

But, wait, what I wanted to say is I found this article on the net that I really liked. Just and ordinary person telling his story, but I found if interesting.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

The Contest

I think one reason I enjoy this election so much is just the idea of the contest to see who wins. I would say race to the finish, but we are not supposed to talk about race in this contest. I like competitions that depend on brain power to win, or as in the case of McCain and Palin, the lack of brain power. That is why, I think, I enjoy the news quizzes. Of course, they do not measure brain power, but how much time one wastes listening and reading the current junk on line and on television.

Now I have found a new contest. Go here
http://americanresearchgroup.com/

and predict the out come of the national election. They ask for your email, and it must be a valid email addy, so if you do not want to give them your email addy, don't bother.

Since I like contests so much one would think I would want to precipitate in all sorts of guessing games. But, I only do this if there is no risk of losing anything of value. I never pay money to enter contests, not even the $1 raffles at work. If there is something valuable at risk, I am very hesitant to take sides least I lose something that I value. I do not value a dollar all that much, but still I rarely enter any contest that asks for even one dollar in return for a chance to win. I guess for me the question is, 'What have I got to lose?' and, 'What might I gain?' If they are asking for my opinion and no money what do I gain? A little bit of fun. If contests are fun and take little effort or time to enter, I like to join in. However, if it takes more than 5 minutes of my time, I pass.

The moral of this story is that I am lazy and cheap. Or in other words, a Democrat.

And, for this current contest that is going on nationwide right now, I am worrying about Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. I think Pennsylvania is pretty safe, but I am really worried about Ohio. A Florida bank failed yesterday. That might help us in Florida.

Obama was in Springfield, MO last night. I think Winnie Jo's state is going stupid (for McCain).

Symbolic

This is anti-war protesters Grant Park, Chicago, 1968 during the Democratic National Convention. Tuesday night, our first Black President (hopefully anti-war) will celebrate his election is this same spot. At least one protester that was there in 1968 plans on being there again Tuesday night.

Changing Seasons

George is feeding the birds sunflower seeds again. He has had seeds out for about 3 days and the squirels have not found them yet.




Maybe these are Patsy's ducks on the pond but they look like 3 drakes to me.

Erin is a smart elick. She says it is too late for a garden. I am thinking about next year. I think I can live off my fat till spring.

And, Clayton wants his garden plowed also. We have absolutely beautiful weather in the upper 70's, and it is supposed to be this way all week.

Insurance

Just in case Patsy is wrong, ... again..., and John McCain is our next president, George is breaking a garden. That way we will not starve to death.



It was hailing here at 2 pm. Just for a minute...

I have a new prediction. I am predicting Biden will be elected. Did you know he is running for the Senate? Well, he is. So, I am predicting that he will win.

Clayton says Obama by a landslide.

Beautiful Day

We have had absolutely beautiful weather the last two days, even if we did have a couple of killing frosts.

On the election, I see that RealClearPolitics has moved Georgia into the toss up column. I don't think it is really a toss up, but it is interesting. McCain is doing a little better in Sister's state. I think the Repubs there were a little embarrassed that he was having to push in his own home state.

Joe the plumber was supposed to be at a rally with McCain this morning but he was a noshow. Poor John did not realize Old Joe was not there and called on him. This is really pitiful.

And, I am thinking Patsy may be right. We may see a landslide. John's pundits are saying if Obama gets Virginia and Flordia early in the evening, it is all over. We will soon know.

Prediction Update

I am updating my election prediction. This am I was looking at the Nevada numbers and decided I think the O will take Nevada. That adds 5 electoral votes to the O's total making it O 311, M 227.

This is the same numbers you will find at RealClearPolitics. The funny thing is, yesterday I decided for fun to do the prediction thing so I can see on election day if I am even close. So, I typed all the state names into and excell file with the electoral votes for each, then picked the ones I thought would go to each candidate. After I got this done and posted it, I saw that I had come up with the same numbers that RealClear had. Today, I decided to add Nevada to the O's column and then saw that RealClear had done the same. I think they are copying from me.

Patsy says the O will have 354 plus on Nov. 4. I googled election predictions Obama 354 and found others that agreed with her, but I am sure she is wrong.

Helen has clarified about her call to see where to go vote. She did not call anyone in AZ, she called some number she heard on MSNBC, so she deserved to get the runaround. But, I was still amazed that I could not find anything on the AZ Sec of State website about early voting.

The Backwoods State

Arkansas has a reputation of being behind the times, backwards, backwoodsy, redneck state. My little sister lives in John McCain's home state. People sometimes get these states mixed up because of their abbreviations, AR for us and AZ for McCain's, but most people likely think of AZ as progressive.

Patsy told me of a conversation she had with the AZ sister about trying to find out where to go vote in AZ. She knew where she went to vote if she waited till Nov. 4, but she did not know where to go vote early. Sister made 3 phone calls before someone told her where to go. The first two people she talked to told her she could not vote until Nov. 4. I do not know where Sister called that she could not get them to tell her where to go, but I knew in my county the county clerk is in charge of voting. I called there and they told me where to go in less than a minute.

I have been hearing ads on the radio about voting and going to a certain website to find out about voting, so I thought probably Sister who lives in the progressive A state probably had a state website that would tell her where to go, when the real people failed in their duty. I searched and found the AZ state website, and found the www.az.gov. In AR the Sec of State handles voting stuff, so I tried the Sec of State link from the AZ gov site. I searched and searched for at least 2 or 3 minutes, but I never did find anything on the AZ.gov website that said you could vote early or anything that would tell me where to go. It did say to call your County Recorder office, so maybe if I know Sister's county I could have eventually found the voting place, but nowhere did I find anything that said anything about voting early. They say McCain is behind the times concerning computers and the net. Maybe Patsy needs to get an outreach job from AR to AZ to teach all the old retired people out there about computers.

Now, for AR the backwoods state. As I said, I had heard on the radio about a website on voting, so I went to www.arkansas.gov and looked for something to tell me where to go. I hunted around for a minute or two with little success. The was a link on the page that said something about our Sec of State, Charley Daniels and voting, so I clicked on it. There was all sorts of information on that page that said early voting would be held in each county's courthouse and if you wanted to know if there was another voting place, call your county clerk. Then there was a link to search and see if you are registered. I tried that and found I was registered. From there, there was a button to click on to see where to vote (polling place). I clicked it and it said the Meth. Church in GF, which I already knew. But that is on Nov. 4th. If you want to vote early in Carroll Co., you go to the county court house.

I really could not believe that Sister called a government phone number and the person answering the phone did not even know she could vote early. I was dismayed that I did not find anything on the gov website about early voting.

The moral of this story is, if you are lost and need someone to tell you where to go, don't call the government in AZ. I wonder if AK has information about where to go vote on their government website.

My predictions

This is my prediction for the election.
Obama 306
McCain 232

Obama 53% of Popular Vote
McCain 44 % of Popular Vote

2. Palin will come out on top with this. She is ruthless and underhanded. She is going to stab McCain and his crew in the back and make it stick.

3. The economy will get VERY bad, because all this money the feds are passing out is only going to delay the fall. The feds (us) are going to continue to hand out money until we has none left to give. After giving so much to the fat cats the states are going to go broke, but the feds will not have money to bail the states out and then down we go. Already, they gave all that money to the banks and the banks took it and hid it under their matresses.

4. The TV people are going to delay calling this election because of the way the last two have gone. If we go to bed before 1 am, it will be because we have decided on our own to call it. Besides, the TV people know that when they call it we turn off the TV and go to bed. They want us to stay tuned.

5. Cheney will wheezel out of everything, but that other one, what was his name? Rumsfeld will be in trouble.

6. Obama is not going to name the people to his cabinet that the knowitalls expect him to. We are going to see some new names.

The number 306 is what RealClearPolitics have for Obama today.

George is in hog heaven

He has been helping Kenneth bail hay. Here the grandkids are feeding the horses and you can see a bail of hay behind them.





Here the kids are on the fence. The bailer is back behind them just below the crest of the hill.




Here is another view.






This was a few days ago when it was first cut. They got more hay on this side of the road. Kelly gets shares of what they bailed on this side of the road. What did George get out of it? The great fun of raking and helping bail it. You who know George, know that is not joke.

All I did was watch.

A First Time for something

I went today and voted early. No waiting in line. This was the first time I had ever voted for a black man for any office. I have lived other places, but I have only voted in Carroll Co. There has never before been a black man on my ballot to vote for until today.

I said when it looked like the O was going to give Hillary a run for her money that the Democrates had found a way to loose in spite of Bush. I am still not sure Obama will win. If he loses it will be because he is black. If McCain loses it will be becasue he is not black.

I usually watch the news on NBC. I do not have great regard for any of he newsmen, but I have read Tim Russet's book and I thought he was a regular person. It was so obvious that he really loved what he was doing. Sometimes when I watch NBC newsmen talk about the election now I feel sad because I think how Russet would have been so excited about all this. I also think my Dad would have enjoyed the election this year. I will be up til the wee hours on Nov. 4. I hope it does not go like 2000 with the pronounced winner changing from hour to hour.

No mo horse

They belong to the Browns that live in on the old stone house. Brown is not their name but their complexion. They are going to come get the horses tomorrow.

New horses

Poor boy horses.



Too bush eating,



And drinking to pay any attention to me.


And then these are the two horses that George found in the yard Friday morning. So far he has not been able to find out who they belong to.

New Time Waster

I guess I have told you that I have a lot of time to kill at work and spend a lot of that time reading news sites in the net. Well, whether I told you or not, I do. I have now found a new time waster, net news quizzes.

UPDATE:
here
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20081015/sc_livescience/americansflunksimple3questionpoliticalsurvey
Is an article that says "Americans Flunk Simple 3-Question Political Survey"
The survey, conducted between April 30 and June 1 by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, measured the political knowledge of 3,612 U.S. adults. Participants were asked to name the controlling party of the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. secretary of state and Great Britain's prime minister.
Overall, just 18 percent of participants answered all three questions correctly.

Thanks to all the time I waste on reading the news online and watching the so called 'news' shows on TV, I got all these correct.

My favorite is the MSNBC quiz because I watch it sometimes and usually know the answers. It is here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4250964/
I made 80% last week and 70% this week.

This one
http://pewresearch.org/newsiq/
at the Pew Institute was fun. I made 83%. I liked this one cause it rated you with the national average like those tests the kids take in school...

The New York Times on was hard, I think because it was more international
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/students/quiz/

Reuters here
http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/newsquiz

And NPR here
http://www.npr.org/programs/waitwait/quiz/
I had the wrong link here, but I have fixed it. On this one there is only 1 question. You click on Previous Quiz to get another question, and it keeps track of all the questions.

Then there it the Sarah Palin IQ quiz here
http://75.125.110.195/us2/US1/?c=US&a=51
I got here from a search that said are you smarter than Sarah Palin, but on the page it does not say that. On this one you have to keep track of your answers and then hunt them out on the net because at the end it tells you to put in your phone number to find out your score. Don't give them your phone number. You can take the test again and again if you want. After I thought about it I changed a couple of my answers the second time I took it. The second time I think I got them all right, but I am not really sure of the Human / Feline answer. None of the answers seemed to fit exactly right, but only one seemed to be possible.

I think all these have the same quiz for a week, so if you don't like your score you can try again. I guess me and Helen both have a lot of time to waste casue she has tried all of these.

Tips on reducing your food bill in hard times

Beg for food. I think I will have omlets for supper again.

Our poor hero

Our hero, McCain, is really having a hard time with this down economy thing. Not our economy, but his campaign economy. The M has raised much less campaign money than The O, and has taken our tax dollars to help him out, which means his campaign spending is under stronger regulations than The O's. The Repubs may do well as the underdogs, but they just do not understand how to operate with less money.

The M's campaign has been posting videos on YouTube. You know, where all the teeny boppers hang out and post dead pig videos, kill the cat video's, and hang the baby out the window videos. I guess they thought it would be free publicity. Now they are going to get free publicity. Because YouTube has been taking down the big M's videos because they contain news footage that is under copyright and not permitted on their site. Why is YouTube doing this. Because the Repubs passed a couple of copyright laws in during their reign, one just in the last month, aimed at protecting the big music and movie companies. Now, YouTube is involved in a huge lawsuit that they are likely to loose because of these new regs. So, they have a computer program that prowls the postings on their site and automatically removes any using published material from movies or TV. Seems all of the M's videos fall into this group and have been taken down within hours of being posted. So much for free airtime.

Well, the M is a hero and is not going to go quietly. NO! his campaign has sent YouTube a letter asking for special rules for campaign videos to let his videos stay while YouTube hires staff to investigate and see if the videos fall under fair use. Oh, and by the by, don't worry about investigating all the Joe Six packs videos, Just take them down.

See here
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10066570-38.html
and here
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39745/118/
where it says the big M voted for the regs he is trying to circumvent.

For now, this is just going around in the online community, but I think it will hit the mainstream. See, they did not just write YouTube, they copied the big O.

Do you think the hero understands the common man's perspective in anything. There is nothing more common man than YouTube. Where anyone can post their news. But the M is not common, he is a hero and should have hero rules.

I predict that the big M will step in it tonight. He is not doing too well under pressure and the pressure is really on tonight.

A First

George's cousin, Kenneth Terherst, came over and cut hay off the pasture for Aunt Bobbie. This is the first time ever hay was cut on this land. This is on our side of the road, on the hill side between the pond and the road. George said he saw two deer at the far edge of this field again this morning.



This is not a first. I have been taking pictures of the horses even tho I have not posted many. I would go down to the fence and call them and they would come up, I am sure thinking they might get something to eat. Today they said fool me twice shame on me and would not come to the fence. They were busy eating.

Mothers of my Mother

Mama, about age 4 years...


Grandma, Irene Ilo Thomas Gaddy...



Myrtle Mae Kinzer Thomas, our great grandmother, on the left and her sister Cora on the right.



Phebe Ann Cox Kinzer, our great grandmother and her granddaugher Leona Thomas Gaddy, our Grandma Gaddy's sister.

I had found material that Phebe's Cox family were Quakers, Friends from Indiana and before that North Carolina. Her mother was Hannah Vickery, daughter of Sampson Vickery and Mary Gifford of Guliford Co. North Carolina. Mary Gifford was a daughter of Jonathan Nathan Gifford and Eunice Beard. This is as far as I had gotten until Betty got me to wondering where our mtDNA might take us.

Eunice Beard is a daugher of Richard Beard and Eunice Macy. Eunice Macy is a daughter of Jazeb Macy and Sarah Starbuck. Sarah Starbuck is a daugher of Jethro Starbuck and Dorcas Gayer. Dorcas was a daughter of William Gayer and Dorcas Starbuck. Dorcas Starbuck was a daughter of Edward Starbuck and Katherine Reynolds. All these ancestors were active Quakers, and before Eunice Beard came to North Caroline with her husband they all lived on Nantuck Island, MA.

Edward Starbuck and Katherine were some of the first settlers on Nantucket and Alexander Starbuck wrote a history of Nantucket as I found referenced here.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pjmpjm&id=I9196
Nantucket Genealogies. Excerpted from The History of Nantucket County, Island, and Town, Including Genealogies of First Settlers. Alexander Starbuck. Softcover, (1924), repr. 2003, New, Index, 199 pp.The island of Nantucket was settled in the 1640s by English Puritans who had grown discontented with the rule of the Colony of Massachusetts Bay. This work consists of detailed genealogies of the majority of the First Purchasers of Nantucket (the original owners of the island, as they were called). It is excerpted from Alexander Starbuck's much longer History of Nantucket County, Island, and Town, constituting the final 200 pages of that opus. The volume begins with biographical sketches of the First Purchasers, in which the author explains to what extent each man figured in Nantucket's British beginnings and gives an account of that pioneer's immediate family and the circumstances of his death. The First Purchasers included: Thomas Macy, Benjamin Coffin, Tristram Coffin, Edward Starbuck, Richard Swain, William Bunker, John Swain, Thomas Barnard, Robert Barnard, Christopher Hussey, Thomas Mayhew, Peter Coffin, Stephen Greenleaf, William Pile, Robert Pike, Tristram Coffin, Jr., James Coffin, Thomas Coleman, Nathaniel Starbuck, Thomas Look, and John Smith. Not every one of the First Purchasers actually settled on Nantucket, though a majority did so. Even so, many of these founders were well acquainted with one another and, in a number of instances, were connected through intermarriage as well. These relationships are clearly established by Mr. Starbuck's genealogies of the following founders from their origins in England through four or five generations to the eve of the American Revolution and beyond: Barnard, Bunker, Coffin, Coleman, Folger, Hussey, Macy, Starbuck, Swain, and Worth.Repository:
Name: New England Historic Genealogical SocietyBoston, MA 02116U. S. A.

There is a short Starbuck history here
http://www.billputman.com/Starbuck.pdf

You can search for Edward Starbuck and Thomas Macy and find much reading about our Mama's family including Google Books.

Now, I think maybe Patsy and Betty are related to John McCain. You know he is always referring to 'My Friends'...

This
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=fletaaday&id=I3596

is our Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) mtdna (roughly translated as maternal, or mother), so it is mother, of mother, of mother on and on.

Hazel Gaddy
> Irene Ilo Thomas
> Myrtle Mae Kinzer
> Pheobe Ann Cox
> Hannah Vickery
>Mary Gifford
> Eunice Beard
> Eunice Macy
> Sarah Starbuck
> Dorcas Gayer
> Dorcas Starbuck
> Catherine Reynolds
> Esther Ruth b. 1585 St. Marys, Ipswich, Norfolk,England or Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut died in Rhode Island or Bermuda

Up to Eunice Beard, I have in our Powell database. The mothers before that, I found with rootsweb searches.

The reason I looked at this, is Betty is thinking about having our mtDNA tested. Clayton would not have to scrap again. They have the sample, Betty would just have them run more tests. And, she would pay for them. I think it is a great idea. But, anyway, I was trying to get it clear in my head what we had on mother of our mother of our mother... I did not realize until I did this, that we had so many more generations on Mama. On Daddy we are the 9the generation from Charles Powell. On Mama, we are 13 generations from Esther Ruth. I think Esther Ruth is a great name.

Oh, and this is just me and Helen. Patsy and Betty come down through the Palin line.

BREAKING NEWS!!! Powell DNA results confirm 3 sister's genealogy research

YES, Patsy and Betty, that is what our results say.

We have been following our family history through a paper trail for over 20 years now. AND... we have found that our Powell family came to Virginia in the early 1600's. We are pretty sure he came from England, and think it is likely he came from the London slums. But, maybe it was his father or grandfather that came over, but I think it was likely him as we have NOT been able to find a paper connection between Charles and any of the Powell's already here. We have traced the line down to us and have a good paper trail on many, many of the male lines of descent down to the present or at least to around 1900. I did not find that any of these other lines we have traced from our Charles were tested in the Powell DNA project. So, when we looked at our paper trail, we did not connect Charles to any of the Powell's that were tested in the DNA project as far as we know. Therefore, when our DNA did not give an exact match to any of the other Powell's in the project, the DNA results matched what we had already established with our paper trail. No matches in America.

Also, our paper trail leads me to believe we could be related somehow to some of the other Powell families already here, but I can not tell exactly if that is so. Our DNA, I think points to a relationship to some of these other Powell families in the DNA project, but we cannot tell exactly how we are related.

I copied the Powell DNA numbers from the Website into an Excel file and sorted it by numbers. Of the Powell DNA numbers that start 13-23 for the first two numbers only 2, yes 2, NC-17 and ENG-6 are exact 25 marker matches. And, not one, again not one, of the 12 that start 13-23 are exact 37 marker matches.

There are some 37 marker exact matches within the Powell DNA numbers, but not one exact 37 marker match within any of the 12 that start out with the numbers that start like ours.

AND, about the Whalebone thingy. Our Charles Powell born in 1740, listed on the Overwharton Parish Register as a son of Charles Powell and Elizabeth, was NOT the last child born to this couple. Three weeks before Charles died on April 30, 1744 Elizabeth had a daughter named Peggy Powell.

And lastly, I think there is a good possiblity that Patsy and Betty are closely related to Sarah Palin.

And NOW, I went back to the Family Tree DNA web page and looked at what Betty says are matches between our DNA and people with surnames other than Powell. They do say we have exact 12 marker matches with some of those tested. It also says of all the thousounds (136,937) of DNA tests not one is a perfect match to us on the 25 marker test, and for those who tested 37 markers, the closest match is a 4 step match. That is matching 33 of the 37.

That is why Betty and Patsy are related to Sarah Palin. They are American exceptionists.

37 MARKER!!

Family Tree DNA said we had no 25 or 37 marker matches in their database. If you click on the image it will be large and easier to read, but here is what we got for 13 thru 37. The first 12 or on the Powell DNA website.



17-9-9-11-11- 25-15-19-30-15-15-17-18-10-11-19-22-15-12-16-17-38-40-12-12



I have not had time to study it yet. There are some on the Powell site that are not too far off, but I don't know if that means much.

Here is my version of our numbers with some from the Powell site that are close, but no matches. This is only R1b1b2 numbers because I don't think we need to consider any others. Click on the photo for a larger version.

Gotta Go! NOW!`

I stole this from someone on the net. I like it.

Patsy posted about McCain going missing immediately after the debate last night while The O and his wife stayed around and worked the crowd. Patsy thought it was because the M is old and needed to go to sleep. I think it is more that he just had to GO!! I am closer to his age than the O's and after two hours of drinking water because of a nervously dry mouth, I can tell you that I would HAVE to GO... PEE that is.

Betty and Helen have posted their regrets. I have one big regret right now. It is that the mouse on my computer is malfunctioning and I do not seem to be able to find a fix. I changed to a different mouse and it has the exact same problem. The right button does not work right and keeps doing things its own way instead of my way. I am like the M, I want everything MY way.

Then my other news is the DNA thing I read today. It seems that science is about to the point that they can use DNA to pinpoint the male surname in crime cases, especially if the surname is unusual. It seems there is not that much difference in the DNA for males with the same unusual surname. I guess we do not have to worry too much about that with Clayton's DNA. Three of us know full well that Powell is NOT unusual, and Charles Powell is so common in the 1700's that we need a good DNA match to see which Powell creek we floated down to Kentucky on.

Mix & Match

In the paper...

Match the candiate to their car.

McCain
Obama
Palin
Biden

One owns a 1967 Corvette (like Helen)
2004 Cadillac CTS
2008 Ford Escape Hybrid SUV
Volkswagen Diesel Jetta

Try your luck... I was 0 for 4.

YDNA 12 Marker Results Are IN!!!!!!!!!

This is JUST the 12 marker results. We will have 37 marker results by about the end of October. There were no exact 12 marker matches in th Powell Y-DNA group. This is our Y-DNA in the first row. The other rows are other Powell groups from the Powell Y-DNA group here
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm

That match us in 11 or the 12 marker test. In marker 439, we are 11 and these others are 12. Then the one from Wales is off on 2 markers, meaning we match 10 of 12. The 12 marker test really tells us very little, but when we get the other marker results, if we match in most of any of these, we will have more of a clue.

Right now, we are almost clueless.




This is the chart from the Powell DNA page, showing how it looks. We will be added, I think, somewhere in this group that starts with 13, 23 and ends in 29 for the 12th marker. If you go to the Powell link above, you can see the ancestors for this group.




This is the Haplo map from the family tree DNA page. We are R1b1b2. There are no names on the countries on this map, but if I remember right, R1b1b2 ends in France here. That does not mean we came from France to America. The 12 maker matches (well, 11 of 12) for our surname indicate we came from England just like we thought.

I have went to the family tree DNA page and studied what this 11 of 12 marker match means. It says, if you match 11 of 12 in a surname gourp, it means you have a 50% chance of a common ancestor in the last 17 generations, a 90% change of a common ancestor in the last 39 generations, and a 95% chance of a common ancestor in the last 47 generations. Which does not really tell us much other than that we likely came from England or Wales as we thought.

I really, really hope we get a close match on the 37 marker test......

The chart with the probability % is here
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html

These are the Powells that we match 11 of 12 from the Powell DNA page.

UK-1
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-family-dna-project-N15530.htm
GA-6
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-family-dna-project-N34854.htm
NC-17
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-97957.pdf
ENG-6
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-family-dna-project-88445.htm
This one is a WilliamPowell of VA!!!!

VA-11
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-family-dna-project-11042.htm
This one is a Poe that went to Australia

AL-2
George Washington Powell, b. 1847 AL, d. 1900-1910 OK
But it is the line of Jim Barrett that is administrator of the Powell DNA project.

Wales-5
We match 10 of 12 on this one
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-family-dna-project-51974.htm

You can go to the Powell DNA page it find out more about some of these.

http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm